Utøya time after presentation of the Norwegian police :
- Clock 17:02: First reports go a
- 17:27 clock: Notification of shooting at police district in the North Utøya Buskerud
- 17:30 Clock Operations Centre of the Oslo police received information that pertained to Utøya
- 17:38 clock: Oslo police providing assistance upon request of Nordre Buskerud Police Station
- 17:52 clock: The first police patrol in the area meets one - has to wait for a suitable boat
- 18:03 clock: news that the boat is underway
- 18:09 Clock: Emergency Squad (SWAT) on the mainland
- 18:25 Clock: Emergency squad landed on Utøya
- 18:27 clock: The perpetrator was arrested, defendant was arrested with ammunition
Thus, the police confirmed that it took a half hours to help the young people on the island was given. 86 people died ... It was loud criticism of the police. This, however, argued that it was holiday time, you have only one (!) Helicopter at his disposal and the crew had been on vacation.
The Norwegian television, however, had no difficulty to raise a helicopter, while the police were still traveling in small boats, fired a reporter for the only known live recording of the killer (see first blog post on the topic ). Victims who exchanged words with her parents via SMS report, also from circling helicopters, while the killing was still going on. ( cf. NZZ of 27.7.2011 ).
Norway's Minister of Justice (Justice and Police) Knut Storberget stood still explicitly provides for the police. He praised on Tuesday its "fantastic job". The police had interrupted their vacation and had come voluntarily zuhilfe.
Even the Oslo police chief Johan Fredriksen commented to the press: "I do not see how this could have been faster to handle. I do not see how could it be possible, considering the distance to the island [56.7 km from Oslo!] And the given conditions. One is always trying to be better, but I do not see how we could have been faster. " (see Telegraph, 07/26/2011) .
Fredriksen further informed that the helicopter was stationed in the north of Oslo Gardermoen Airport (ie in the direction of the island Utøya), he was not suitable for transporting a team of counter-terrorism officers from the capital to the scene.
Why is that?, One wonders there!
"'It took time hineinzubekommen the team. It was full of useless material and equipment had never been used for such an operation, "he said of the helicopter," So, then it was his first flight with the Delta Force troops -. A bold apology from the police chief!
It is always strange! The team was therefore already in the helicopter, but it flew off but then not. Entering into argument is completely absurd, would rather be with "useless material" in a few minutes at the accident site as without "useless material" traveling by car and boat, in a situation where every minute counts.
"I am of the opinion that it would not be faster geganger, we would have used him." An incredible entering the Police!
This opinion is Fredriksens by former Police Inspector Finn Abrahamsen did not split. It told Norwegian reporters that he had found it very sad that the helicopters have stopped that day on the ground. To put it very carefully ...
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg announced the establishment of an independent commission of inquiry. This will examine in detail the events and create within a year (!) A final report on what lessons we might learn from it.
Imagine for a moment, we were in a position of members: How do you feel when such a notice as Stoltenberg's? The Premier takes virtually the result of the commission of inquiry already anticipated when he speaks of "lessons" talk, it could eventually also be "guilty" to go! The time frame is too outrageous, pointing out that you want to have the theme of the discussion.
There remain more questions, for example, was where the Norwegian military. Does it even a helicopter and it was also on vacation? Probably not. It is known that Norway participated in the bombing of Libya and Afghanistan, the country is so equipped.
The police are also part of the Norwegian rescue service, for which logically includes the air ambulance. The conduct of rescue operations in case of accidents and disasters is one of their mandate. Rescue operations are in Norway because of the difficult weather and the difficult geography is not unusual. Even doctors are often called in small villages in remote fjords - by helicopter. There are two operational centers for emergency medical services (Bodo and Stavanger). The police are to carry out its mission, specifically, using the military to demand from civil and non-governmental organizations.
So what was the problem?
According to Dagbladet , it went further as follows: Harvard Gåsbakk, director of operations came (about 18 clock) simultaneously with the squad of "Delta Force" (8 men) from Oslo by car on the mainland from the island, together with two local policemen were it-provided in a local police North Buskerud Police boat. Halfway to the island got the police boat engine problems. From the island itself, however, were already launched several boats to get help. Two open boats took the wrecked police officers, and with 5 men, they drove back to Utøya.
There the arrest of the killer apparently designed fabulously easy: at the jetty on the island they were welcomed by many young people. After 30 seconds to 1 minute you already saw a shot on the south side of the island and heard a bang. Man jumps out of the boat and runs in that direction. They want to run into the undergrowth in the forest in order to facilitate the placing of the offender from better coverage out. The police shout "armed police". Suddenly, the alleged perpetrator is directly in front of them, he has his hands above his head, the weapon he carries no more, it is 15 meters behind him. Amazingly, he can be arrested without resistance. The cry of "armed police" seems to him immediately freed of all murder and turned into a tame sheep have to.
The lawyer of the alleged offender Geir Lippestad, told the press , meanwhile, that his client had "been a little surprised that he succeeded. He had expected to be stopped earlier by the police or anyone else that day. He thought he would be killed after the bombing, after the crime on the island or at the trial. " He added , Breivik have taken drugs before he began his killing spree, "to be strong and effective and to keep himself awake. "
This is consistent with victim information to report, the perpetrators had acted quite calmly and systematically in his murder.
The Norwegian newspaper "Dagbladet" spoke with friends of the accused. She testified Breivik have taken anabolic steroids since he was a teenager. A childhood buddy said that he had had even run a few years ago cosmetic surgery in the United States to look masculine. "I met him on the bus, and he was very pleased. He had surgeries to make the forehead, nose and chin. "The explanation was given Breivik, he thought he looked too feminine.
The overall impression of an unstable, completely unsettled person with potentially chronic anabolic Steoridabusus.
The offender had two weapons, a pistol brand "Glock" and a machine gun, and had large amounts of unused ammunition when he was arrested. Because of the terrible wounds and exit the fragmentation of bullets in the bodies of the victims are dum-dum bullets accepted it as ammunition . Their use is forbidden (Hager Land Warfare). Legal means they can not have procured the perpetrators so. Whence came the ammunition, then?
While Dum-dum bullets are prohibited in the war so theoretically, they are to authorities on terrorism and crime admitted because it has a maximum "stopping power" have. Since dumdum bullets explode in the target-like, for example, there is no penetrations. In some German states, the so-called semi-jacketed bullets are therefore approved as a "police-use ammunition." Norwegian was the Delta Force special ammunition in the possession of this?
The surgeon Colin Poole on Ringerike Hospital in Honefoss believed the bomber had apparently used special ammunition "to cause maximum damage on its victims." Poole said the newspaper "Dagbladet" after treatment of 16 victims at his hospital: "I've never seen this type of gunshot wounds." The projectiles were apparently fragmented in the bodies of the wounded. The surgeon is in "Aftonposten" quotes: "There are undoubtedly Dum-dum bullets, which are used by special forces in some countries." They could have been purchased in any case in Norway, Poole. As the perpetrators came to the special ammunition?
Breivik attorney announced that he would plead "not sane". His client was likely to "mentally ill".
This interpretation was today received (Wednesday) Norwegian intelligence chief (domestic) Janne Kristiansen. She told the BBC: "I can tell you that we have at this moment no proof and evidence that he was part of a larger movement or in conjunction with other cells have been or that it even existed other cells. "Breivik had claimed that he had acted as the first of three cells and give further abroad.
Kristiansen also said they believe he was a lone assassin. And you do not believe that the killer was mentally ill, but "headed" and "malicious" and someone who is seeking the limelight. "I do not think there any limits that person in mind for evil t give." He is evil - not sick, or drogiert brainwashed!
Today, so that the Norwegian secret service chief, the search ended after the second offender, the witnesses had even described: Approx. 1.80 m tall, dark-haired, cross country. The version of the "lone assassin" is vaguely familiar.
If capital is to be struck from the Verbechen, it is necessary, not as the perpetrator geistesgstört, but to describe as "evil" and "calculating". A mental patient on the other hand one would not take it seriously and do everything we can to forget it as quickly as possible.
Tags: Breivik , Colin Poole , dum-dum bullets , Utoya
So what was the problem?
The problem is that they had no weapons had! The Norwegian police has apparently unarmed. Source: I do not think at the moment. I hand but maybe after.
More and more, it turns out that the first only vague conjectures, the fact of having an "aftertaste", but probably are not as strange.
It was about the helicopter! The Delta Force is very well armed, if only to arrive by car and boat leckem even use weapons any more ... In addition, the norwegian police are armed. They have a special compartment in the car, where the weapons are housed, they carry around with not.
So somehow I have the vague feeling: In the Kingdom of Norway goes wrong what mega! There must always be something wrong in this country.
It is all too easy to pass on problems to a single person. Geir Lippestad product is known as the Norwegian society and local democracy. One thing is probably that he is dissatisfied with conditions there, otherwise he would not challenge the political elite.
when you see who else was on the Norwegians at the Bilderberg, then could an alleged perpetrator of the racist background of the rise in the Norwegian children all doubt.
Even the Siv Jensen of the rights was at the Elite Club
and as always the question cui bono?
Gro Harlem Brundtland (1982, 1983), former Prime Minister of Norway
Kaere Willoch (1966, 1968, 1982, 1987), former Prime Minister of Norway
Trygve Bratteli (1977), former Prime Minister of Norway
Jens Stoltenberg (2002), current Prime Minister of Norway
Siv Jensen (2006) Chairman Fremskrittspartiet
Johann Olav Koss (2006)
Halvard Lange (1964), former Minister of Foreign Affairs mentioned above (Norway)
Ole Myrvoll (1974), former Minister of Finance (Norway), former Mayer of Bergen
Svein Gejedrem (2003) Chairman of Norges Bank in 1999 present
Dagfinn Varvik (1975), former Chairman of Centre Party (Norway
Admitted to the weapons and dum-dum bullets a word, the perpetrators used no machine gun, but a Glock 18 and a shotgun, both to him. But with the Glock-18 may deceive you, I do not, although the weapon looks like a gun, it is still a fully automatic weapon that shoots at a cadence of up to 1,200 rounds / min. If there are enough videos YT and Co on the action.
Drum magazines hold it up to 100 shots. The ammunition used a standard 9 x 19 mm cartridge, which is also part-jacket design as for hunting. May sawing through crosswise every tech-savvy layman it make Dum-dum bullets, which produce the injury occurred. Also modified man stop ammunition is freely available, eg, Fiocchi EMB expansive Monoblock. Ultimately, it is more a question of price as an issue of procurement.
In search of inconsistencies are likely the testimony of a second offender and the duration of the stop grotesque be productive until the arrival of special forces. The weapons / - and ammunition choice reflects only unscrupulousness but is expected to pose a logistical problem in principle, which argues against the individual perpetrator theory.
Why you are you still so sure that he alone has the plan? Rather, it seems to me that it was used for a FalsFlagOperation. It took just one person, so that the real masterminds do not come to light.
It is obvious that the cry of "armed police" was a code word, whereupon Breivik ended his "program". He was clearly under "mind control".
And that the police could have taken so long, until they were on the island was planned so that Breivik so much damage as possible.
Most not at all realize how much they can be blinded by the media.
Not only because of the blog here collected inconsistencies remember-honor to the Norwegian police and the special unit "Delta", which were in Utoya-use, may not currently be ruled out that Breivik only the "front face" of a broader, more powerful perpetrators is.
If, however, Breivik only the "face" of a comprehensive offender would then would this first incredible sounding scenario immediately raise the question, what would be because "parent", perhaps (geo-) political goals and purposes that such a monstrous act at all " "would be a" justified Norwegian Reichstag fire "or a" Norwegian 9/11 to commit. "
The fact is that Norway now but rather a "very independent" course is run. The so-called scenario assumes that the attacks Norway with "back on track" to be brought ...
We have employed the "support" for this research unprovable scenarios that were previously sponsored 10 pieces of a mosaic emerges:
No. 1 piece of the puzzle is: China drills for oil in Norway (get the average citizen has ever heard or read anything about it?).
No. 2: demarcation agreement with Russia (in the Arctic Ocean, which is full of oil stocks is the only way).
No. 3: military exercises with Russia.
No. 4: Statoil's role in Venezuela and Iran (both "enemy states" of the U.S. / the West).
No. 5: The Oslo Accords Betr. the question of Palestine.
No. 6: UN coordination Betr. the Palestine question.
No. 7: Norway's critical stance toward Israel.
No. 8: Norway's threatened withdrawal from the NATO bombing in Libya.
No. 9: Norway (Europe country as financially gesundestes) stop of aid flows to Greece (and thus signal to stop coming bankrupt states in the euro-zone)
No. 10: Norway (as a potentially strong net payers) non-membership in the EU, which is in a hurry on his way to the "United States of Europe". Since Norway may (and Switzerland) are not longer off!
The mosaic pieces are currently on the initiative reasoning ( http://initiativevernunft.twoday.net/stories/38728292/ turn up) and other pieces of a mosaic of detecting and collecting are welcome!
@ Natori: why are you so sure that there were multiple offenders? It is then easier for you to understand the world? I now go on this conspiracy fanatics of what aufn sack with their half-baked I-looked-habs-fuss. of the faked moon landing, chemtrails, 9/11 and now Oslo. actually remembers her as her hand from the right edge of your'll infected with this manure? way to go from Breivik also passionate about conspiracy theories.
I recommend also refer to the 'compendium' of the killers. have lied about a year away can look deep and could be a multiple-offender theory finally be put aside when the inclined verschwörungsfan for permits. oh no, this is indeed safe from the factory or the fake cia mossad ...
phew, thank you big brother, finally a comment in which I had not the need-to pursue my skull on the table.
all of these great "mosaic" that were being sought, together, are quite interesting and also the fact-that it took so forever, until the time the policy was put etc suggests something larger, but one thing remains clear:
I just read the manifesto of the organ whistle and am 100% convinced that he alone has planned. The plan had several good young (!) the whole season to make himself smart, to acquire knowledge and to such a project takes no more than a little cunning. apart, which would change it's been several Wenne? that brings the child back to life? makes him a better man? I do not think so.
may have had I think in the beginning you have to be something mentality to mess with dernorwegischen put to understand why this is happening particularly awful, as getting caught in some kind of political spin networks, which Breivik supposed to do is to try to murderer (and more he is not) to give a deeper sense.
He himself was not born with a golden spoon, maybe a couple of negative experiences in childhood and BOOM! which makes small Breivik away on to shake scandinavia. to something it does not usually much .... But before I talk about here now and head collar:
women love beck, great reporting ^ ^
lg Medu