Bomb from the second world war (source: Wikimedia Commons)
When I want to find out about the new long-range military transport A400M, of which Germany has ordered 60 pieces, on the official page of the "Ministry of Defense", I find there to nothing, but on the very first page something else:
The reference to a speech of the Federal Defence Minister zu Guttenberg during the ceremony, "Armed Forces and American Jewish Committee: 15 years of partnership and trust" on 12.08.2009 in Berlin.
Clearly Here I had overlooked something.
The AJC is a private organization founded in the USA in 1906. So far I did not know that the Bundeswehr received official partnerships with private organizations.
The AJC looks, according to self-reported primarily in the role "to ensure the welfare and security of Jews in the United States, in Israel and around the world; to reinforce the key principles of pluralism as the best defense against anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry world; to improve the quality of American Jewish life by helping to ensure Jewish continuity and deepen ties between American and Israeli Jews. "
So far so good. I would have understood if it would take place a partnership with the AJC and German memorials - but with the Ministry of Defence? So I had the speech read Guttenberg, and I try to be more understanding:
"We Germans want to keep the memory of the Shoah awake. We provide our special responsibility we bear after the barbarism of National Socialism; the responsibility that we do not tolerate anti-Semitism and that we stand up for the right to exist and the integrity of the State of Israel; the responsibility for ensuring that liberty, human rights and tolerance are the top maxims of our actions. This responsibility is immutable part German raison d'état. This responsibility requires all Germans - and thus also the Bundeswehr as an army of democratic Germany ".
These were weighty words: I had to deal more with this topic. For quite some time (since when?) Are developments seemed to have shown that defined the German raison d'état as quasi congruent with that of the Middle East state. What could that have concrete consequences? The defense minister speaks quite clear from the fact that all Germans, and thus the Bundeswehr (? Morally) are conscripted. But no, he means it probably already concretely: it is indeed "the maxim of action".
An exchange program seems to be tightly integrated into the German officer training:
"For the past 15 years, there is a diverse, constantly evolving continuously visit program between AJC and the Bundeswehr. It serves the mutual acquaintance, the establishing personal contacts and exchange of experiences.
Thus, the full-time youth officers, the members of the German General Staff and Admiralsstabs- courses and seminar leadership of the Higher Staff College in Hamburg regularly as part of their travel guest of the AJC in New York. The meetings are very active and the exchange is always profitable - I thank you for all concerned. The presentations by representatives of the Berlin AJC -offices in schools and educational institutions of the Armed Forces constantly encounter great interest. "
And then Guttenberg is specifically cited again and the Chancellor:
"I've talked a lot of history and of the practical cooperation between the AJC and the Bundeswehr. It always goes to Israel. Standing up for Israel's right connects Germany and the AJC on the political as well as on the practical level. Because Israel is threatened even sixty years after its creation in its existence.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has once again made absolutely clear the attitude of the Federal Republic in her speech to the Congress of the United States of America a few weeks ago: "The security of Israel is for me never negotiable.
[...] Whoever threatens Israel also threatens us. '
After previously have read I think I can conclude that Germany would certainly explain immediately the defense case, if Israel felt threatened. The latter is well known, the case. So is the defense case already happened for us and I'm so very unexpectedly perhaps the answer to my question from the previous post in more detail why Germany needs so many A400M?
But do not be hasty. First read:
"Today, the military-political and military relations between our countries are as rich as ever. So every year find a 'Strategic Dialogue' at the level of Secretaries of State as well as staff talks instead of the military leadership, in which military and armaments policy issues are discussed. "
Guttenberg speaks now of the United States or of Israel, when he speaks of rich military relations? I'm confused. But further:
"Even at the level of the armed forces and in the practical defense cooperation contacts are diverse. In addition to regular exchange visits found in some areas with placements or training visits to each other's armed forces instead. To have participated in exchange programs between the Bundeswehr and the Tzahal [Israeli army] since 1998 150 German officer candidates and the same number of Israelis.
Is a visit to the "Witnesses in Uniform" from the IDF Of particular importance here in the Ministry in Berlin during their travel to the sites of the Holocaust. The thus grown understanding just connects the young officers of both armies who meet in unprejudiced camaraderie with great curiosity and respect for the professionalism of the other. The high professional level of training of the Israeli army makes for the Bundeswehr into an attractive partner. We want to deepen the cooperation. "
The high professional level of training? Yes, of course, so must be meant a certain war experience, in which the Israeli army of German yes is still way ahead of. Only in this way can be a "witness", ie be a war witnesses. You think after all the two recent wars in Lebanon and Gaza, at which indeed new weapons systems were successfully tested.
And now Guttenberg is very clear again:
"The Iranian nuclear program can be a dangerous new challenge for Israel, NATO and the EU, but also arise for the countries of the Arab world. This danger is not academic, it is real - and it grows every day that the Iranian government continues work on its nuclear program and opposes the cooperation.
Again, the Chancellor has found to Congress clear words: A nuclear bomb in the hands of an Iranian president who denies the Holocaust, threatens Israel and the right of existence denies, it should not be continued:. Moreover, Israel is not only threatened, but the entire free world.
The entire free world is required. NATO, the EU and Israel have the same interests: The threat of armed Iran with weapons of mass destruction we have decided together to oppose ".
Could it be that under the mentioned "practical military cooperation" and the long-range Airbus A400M military transport falls? If Israel would thus retaliate against Iran, the new A400M could easily 5000 km for airbase in Termez (Uzbekistan) overcome or directly settle troops in Afghanistan near the border with Iran.
Far-fetched, I do not think it necessarily, but because it has often been defense projects for Israel:
Overall, already five submarines of the Dolphin class went to the Nahosttaat: 1991 (2 boats), 1994 (1 boat), 2005 (two boats): "The first two boats were a gift of the Federal Republic of Israel, while Germany and Israel the third boat each paid half. For the two remaining 2005 sold to Israel replicas Germany contributes about one-third of the purchase price, up to 333 million euros. The first three boats in each cost about 225 million euros, the other two cost per a scarce half a billion euros. The price increase is mainly due to the technically more complex fuel cell drive. " (Wikipedia)
However, the Rüstungsesport also had some critics who wanted to be feared that the 65-cm torpedo tubes could be equipped with nuclear cruise missiles. This information will remain but ultimately in the realm of rumors.
The word "atom" now directs me to a completely different idea: Because yes, there is a perfect and long-standing military and defense cooperation between Germany and Israel, seems to many to be escaped (including me) that Germany is now ascended to nuclear power: Yes! Because Israel has the bomb or better bombs. There are 400-500 nuclear warheads be, the course now automatically protect and this would be available, because I'm sure Germany.
This was the preliminary, only at first glance, surprising result of the close and trusting military and other cooperation between the Armed Forces and the Tazahal, (the word I did not know, but it has nothing to do with the Taj Mahal!)
The more I think about it, the more increases my certainty: So and so only had the joint cabinet meeting of Israeli and German government in Berlin have to do that unfortunately had to move on in January due to colds in the last second of the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu.
I need to start somehow not have noticed: but in fact there are already a common, "trustworthy" government.
We should not be afraid to make this even against the German population clearly and solemnly reaffirm, with an amendment to the Constitution and to swear by adding a new article that will have to be reflected in a new oath of the Bundeswehr recruits therefore.
(Here's a bombiger Link to David Harris, AJC Chairman, Guttenberg friend and volunteer instructor of the Bundeswehr.)
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Love Friederike
I think a very pertinent analysis for something that actually in our Constitution should not be. Interestingly, more and more comes out as the government in military matters the people behind the light leads.
Only the Kosove, also of "Jesus" "fishing co-initiated, then" we defend, thanks Struck, Germany in the Hindu Kush "and are immediately evident in Verteidigunfsfall if Israel is attacked.
And told of any action or better war operations or their planning as in the case of the A400M is being covered up and deceived. You try the Constitution and the Basic Law not to hurt and decreases in purchasing the soldiers in a grotesque legal uncertainty to burn. (Afgahnistan, Jung, of Guttenberg)
But the question that has to face every citizen but is, "in what a Republic I wish to actually live" ß Want from Germany out into the world to make war?
I do not want that! Therefore a change in the Constitution and the Basic Law under no circumstances should be accepted. Germany must withdraw from Afgahnistan. This war can not be won. Israel must be forced to solve the Middle East conflict with Palistinänsern in Verhadlungen.
1956 needed our democracy an army (although the previously nobody wanted after the war) - in 1957 we got the Bundeswehr.
Our federal government wanted to go to war in Afghanistan - she's gone to war.
I had to learn the hard way that a German citizen for the federal government is just dirt.
Our Constitution has zero value. All other laws are only there to us to pull the money out of your pocket and to suppress us.
In Afghanistan, an important step has been taken. We tried out how far one can go in the population to accept armed conflict, although our country is not threatened.
The people complained a little, you have to expect, but then it calms down again. As always! The people are stupid!
Soon Germany will still be involved for military service forced soldiers to many other Kreigsschauplätzen.
In such a crisis, as we have now and that is not far from over, a war will follow, perhaps a world war.
No one asks us if we want to.
Our federal government does what she wants - it does not matter what we citizens want.
Hi Friederike,
can only agree Kaiserbubu how it will fit straight into the Krahm support or go against an ...
Israel's story reads like the script of a Hollywood movie.
Quote Wiki: Still in the founding night declared Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq and Syria to the new state of war.
How would we feel it could have been founded after WW2 a state on German soil ??
Quote Wiki: The Jewish settlements were established in the occupied territories and may only be occupied by Jewish Israelis. ...
How can you justify this more than questionable settlement policy?
How can you use so extreme and without reserve created for this and beeinfluste from outside the country, that it "victors" were not without those?
How should it be possible to create peace by itself constant mixing, constant support and sanctioning of one of the other in this area ?? How is it justified that Israel receives submarines of the latest generation, aircraft and A-arms and can entertain, others are sure vehemently attacked and threatened?
How did it so well ?: The world must not prove Iran that it has no A-arms Merkel. Iran must prove to the world that he does not seek!
The question is not only "I Will from Germany out into the world to make war?" -> This also applies to the USA, UK, France. ... but also NATO, UN ....
Scließlich and last finally everything will only turn one: more influence, more power, more money, more power, power, power ...
This permanent finish from use for and against peoples rights, fundamental rights, evil dictators and enemy systems Suck ... because the so-called. "Western powers" in violation itself often against their own rules and their efforts for a just and "democratic" world. Where is the democracy in the "veto" ?? Where is she, if elected governments are overthrown and influences (from the outside) ...
Genocide, Civilian casualties, evil Sozialismuss and communism ... bla bla bla .. for many many years is strongly geballert depleted uranium, developed the latest high-tech and A-arms. ... Socialist and Communist governments, other systems, or even ways of life are already eternally blocked, fought and made the enemy ... because they do not meet "our" ideas ... I can see me already wieder..ahhh
Slowly and quietly ... all the values for the "we" so woe ment will fight constantly trimmed and cut ... In the name of security, the fight against terrorism
Nah, I already mekre I let myself go again, find no end and digress ... One more thing, American A-arms are located in Germany, are guarded by German soldiers on German bases ... and could with German Tornados on command to use
come. (Especially since I've noticed that, still, the Allies have the last word in Ger -> For yes, there is still no peace treaty and theory, there is still the Dt.Reich and the FRG (GmbH) administers parts of its territory with the approval of the victorious powers)
Stop it, got back in a bad mood ...
Jews are only human. Not better or worse than other people. Sure it's terrible what has happened to millions of people under Hitler. Always like to forget that the Holocaust:
a) not only Jews concerned
b) is certainly co-responsible of some Jews in well-protected positions, because:
White kill white, black killing black, jews killing jews, muslims kill muslims. People kill people, has always been that way.
I think the Spezielbehandlung the Jews in this world should end slowly. Everyone is responsible for themselves. Israel makes far too much questionable to the normal mortal can make even glaubgaft, the Jews were "divine" than other peoples.
You only get the impression some people consider themselves God.
Respect and RIP to Ephraim Kishon. Indeed, there are also people who do not take themselves and life too seriously.
berlin is telaviv reacts by washington /. so as to vassals rich
usual ist.weltfriede by globalization + massenmord.der islam was determined
uses now he has to go. are then the christians of all shades off?
prosecutors are instructed recipient of regierung.unabhängige judge
not there.
judaism is related to zionism as Germanism to National Socialists
ism.
brain enslavement of young europeans by the ongoing 3.Reich
wash (knopp-history), limitation of direct libertarianism under threat of penalty
, unlike planned ausgehen.erst one day of boredom because
is the human being, then the macro, then the religion.dann the capital.
400,000 control 80 million. the greatest adversary of the zionists
are jews (finkelstein / sand ...) the neo come from the same (london-mi-6) sources of zionism.
how could it justify its against terror "good", if not "evil terror" by preserving and promoting the .das fairy Sauerland bande, the
cia-camp al-Qaeda. how many hisbollahraketen are after with zion.hintergrund
israel flown .wieviel been gehimmelt by "friendly terror" to (if not donate) to motivate the parliaments own soldiers. the
fish rots from the kopf.auch with us. unemployed male youth can be
great to volunteer soldiers for terror (anti) inserts motivieren.erst the afghans are kinda killed, crippled, then they will
generous with prostheses and fountain geholfen.das they are not grateful
is surprising.
From German soil never a war is to go out again ... "Germany
is defended in the Hindu Kush "... and now: WAR = raison d'etat
Keep it up, peace-loving USEU government of graces ...
The coming war takes place mainly on German soil.
(Or does anyone believe that Iran stopped its nuclear program?)
Here in Germany support the atomic bombs of Belgium, the Netherlands, Canada, USA. ...
If the United States attacks Iran and the one who gets out of Germany then probably the resistance from and who will be opponents of the war? Russia and China have already stated that they will help Iran.
Here is a summary of publications in the mirror:
Mirror Item no. 11.12
Page 15
"Armor
Withdrawal of nuclear weapons
The federal government apparently expects a withdrawal of American nuclear weapons from Germany. This is according to the defense expert of the SPD, Hans-Peter Bartels, from Bundeswehr documents relating to the new Air Force structure out. "
Note .: The federal government apparently expects a withdrawal of American nuclear weapons.
That is, they know nothing about. You will not be informed, but draws conclusions from Bundeswehr documents.
Mirror text continues:
"Accordingly, the Air Force wants the next decade to give up the Büchel air base, Rhineland-Palatinate,"
Note .: Who is the Air Force?
Again the mirror text:
"Accordingly, the Air Force wants the next decade to give up the Büchel air base, Rhineland-Palatinate, where the atomic bombs currently stored; are of the stationed German "Tornado" fighter aircraft, the bombs will be worn in case of war. "
Note .: So German Tornados throw American atomic bombs!
On whose behalf?
Have we not learned that atomic bombs of missiles from bunkers in the United States and submarines, z. B. be fired by the French and English?
What store because our "allies" so everything in the FRG?
For this purpose, the mirror no. 12.10 p 17
"Nuclear weapons
Limited sovereignty
The United States have agreed on the storage of nuclear weapons in West Germany during the Cold War behind the back of the Bonn government with NATO allies. This emerges from a previously "top secret" note from the Foreign Office from 1981. The United States had therefore since the late fifties "with all our allies, maintain the armed forces in the Federal Republic, signed contracts for the storage of American nuclear weapons in the federal territory for the needs of these allies, without asking our permission for it." Historians estimate that in the Federal Republic of times more than 5000 U.S. nuclear weapons superimposed -. Part of it for the military forces stationed there by the British, the Dutch, Belgians and Canadians "
Note .: Now we know these bombs are dropped from the Bundeswehr.
Now wants to prevent American, French or Belgian atomic bombs are dropped on its territory a country, it must bomb the BRD!
The FRG has already proven that it without any trouble and sense defenseless civilians bombed (Kunduz) and although the bomber pilot 5 times refused the command and consists of an alert in accordance with Art. 26 of WOL, the command is contrary to the general rules of international law repeated 6 times and over 100 civilians massacred without warning.
There is no judicial work-up of the incident. Thus 23 of the WOL is against nature. Violated, thus taking the total liability under civil as criminal.
Whether you massacred 10 civilians without warning and purpose and the incident was not prosecuted or slaughters 10 million does not matter.
One can only hang once an offender.
The example has been TDCA Bundeswehr back almost to the day, 70 years after the bombardment of the territory of the Free State Free City of Danzig.
The Germans as a whole liable people have again become war criminals.
There are again the Germans, contrary to the general rules of international law, saying: "I do not care laws. Then I shit. "
Do you want to hear this answer from a police officer or a judge? Then just ask a policeman or judge whether a warrant must be signed by the judge.
It's not a shame if these Germans are this time finally wiped off the map, right?
Soberly considered.
To prevent this, the Free State Free City of Danzig 23.11.2007 has been working for the 2nd Federal Settlement Act v. Intensively on the conclusion of a peace treaty down.
Participation adheres to now limited.
In max. 6 months Bundeswehr tornadoes the world with nuclear bombs while to bless someone strikes back.
Your comment renames many important points and actual problem areas, but is sometimes not quite strigent: Einderseits mention rightly restricted German Soueränität, on the other hand they want to take the Germans' total adherent "back in the responsibility. And, although there clearly are people who can be named as responsible (Kunduz case). Guilt is always personal and can never be transferred. No one comes to the idea of total adherent to accuse 311 million Americans, because their government is led by a lie a war of aggression against a country and this so thoroughly destroyed that you can not go today to a vegetable market and can be sure that you home alive comes or is killed by a bomb. Those responsible are still alive and should be brought to the international Straferichtshof in the Hague, which deals with crimes of international criminal law. Fantasies of violence against individual states / nations, no matter against whom, and whether the Germans, I would be no room on my blog actually. Nevertheless, her comment was unlocked.
https://becklog.zeitgeist-online.de/2009/12/14/deutschland-has-the-bombe/
to take here ne time to position / to quote falke010. I hope I may post here. sure brings something bold in the discussion, in which all Andren posters yes apparently previously about her world-building consensus;-)
"How would we feel it could have been founded after WW2 a state on German soil ??"
on German soil several new states were founded by wk2: nrw, lower saxony, etc ... clearly this is legal quibbling, were indeed the same residents are saying ...
but there were also 10 million new inhabitants (from present-day Poland, cssr etc ..).
have the hessen, Schleswig holstein and niederbayern this takes the genocide threatened? (What they see as regionally oriented non-nassau yes could consider). no they have arranged themselves and one or other carpentry and engineering pleased with the one who helped them to bring their destroyed and partially backward area (again) on the front man. the same had the arab west of jordans also can do, then there would be peace and prosperity. but they have chosen not to. 50% of religious veneering, 50% of them still by the nazis eingetrichtem pseudo nationalism / anti-semitism.
israel can be accused rightly, it was almost an installed fabric art. but this is almost every nation on this planet. Germany is a politically induced fiction. bayern understand austrian better than Low German, which in turn dutch etc ...). such fictions the majority of the inhabitants agrees and the neighbors only work and always on time as long as not more. otherwise change limits; ideally through contracts, but unfortunately often get by. the arabs have lost to Israel 3-7 times. they would simply be better off if they would come to terms with this fact, as further to run against windmills. the areas to israel palestinian around with the same language and culture are about 500 times as large as Israel itself. enough space for all. This is to assist them in their bad-loser-revenge-lust just revisionism, nothing else like the thought hopelessly outdated sales types that 70 years later still poland want to go back. who was born in the third generation in the neighboring countries in the refugee camp is victim of these neighboring countries, not sacrifice israel, even if you look at his grandparents as such.
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to the actual topic of "Germany has the bomb?"
it is probably at least be assumed that it it from tech. know-how could make in half a year ago. the plutonium that the brd still stored enough bombs for several hundred and is flimsy research aspects for decades stored further agreements against actual. obviously sees the policy any scenario for which they would like to keep open the back door to your own bomb. if you look very amoral pure game theory it is so true, as to any leave many scenarios in the future-think where they could verbesssern their position thereby (so satisfied that as well as many other countries therefore understandable aspire to their invulnerability not third but protect by hard evidence); on the other hand is in a game-theoretic risk carefully weighed significantly less, where the disadvantage of definitely would (image, environment ...).