Timing Utøya after presentation of the Norwegian police :
- 17:02 clock: First reports go a
- 17:27 clock: Notification of shooting at Utøya in Buskerud Police District North
- 17:30 clock: Operations Centre of the Oslo police received information of incidents in Utøya
- 17:38 clock: Oslo police providing assistance on request of Nordre Buskerud police station
- 17:52 clock: The first police patrol arrives in the area - have to wait for a suitable boat
- 18:03 clock: news that the vessel is underway
- 18:09 clock: Emergency Squad (Special Forces) on the mainland
- 18:25 clock: Emergency squad landed on Utøya
- 18:27 clock: The offender arrested, detained defendant with ammunition
This is confirmed by the police that it took one and a half hours to the youth on the island was given to help. 86 people died ... There was criticism of the police loud. This, however, argued it was holiday time, you have only one (!) Had helicopters available and the crew was on vacation.
In contrast, the Norwegian television had no difficulties to raise a helicopter, while the police was still in the little boat on the way, a reporter shot the only previous live recordings of the killer (see the first blog post on the topic ). Victims, who shared with her parents via SMS, also reported by circling helicopters, while the killing was still going on. ( cf.. NZZ, 27.07.2011 ).
Norway's Minister of Justice (Justice and Police) Knut Storberget still turned out explicitly before the police. He praised on Tuesday their "fantastic job". The police had interrupted their holidays and had come voluntarily zuhilfe.
Even the Oslo police chief Johan Fredriksen commented to the press: "I do not see how you would have to settle faster. I do not see how that could be possible, considering the distance to the island [56.7 kilometers from Oslo!] And the given conditions. Man is always trying to be better, but I do not see how we could have been faster. " (cf.. Telegraph, 26.7.2011) .
Fredriksen further informed that the helicopter was (ie in the direction of the island of Utøya) stationed at the Gardermoen airport north of Oslo; he was not suitable to transport a team of counter-terrorist officers from the capital to the scene.
Why is that you ask ?, since!
"'It took time hineinzubekommen the team. It was full of useless material and equipment had never been used for such an operation, "he said of the helicopter," So, then it was just his first flight with the Delta Force squad -. A brazen apology from the police chief!
It is always strange! The team was therefore already in the helicopter, but it then but did not fly off. Any submission is completely absurd, rather be with "useless material" in a few minutes on the scene as not being 'useless material "traveling by car and boat, in a situation where every minute counts.
"In my opinion, it would not be faster geganger, we would have used it." An unbelievable entering an EU Police Chiefs!
This opinion Fredriksens is not shared by former police inspector Finn Abrahamsen. It told Norwegian reporters that he had found it very sad that the helicopters have stopped that day on the ground. In very careful ...
Meanwhile, announced Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg to the establishment of an independent commission of inquiry. This will examine the events in detail and within a year (!) Prepare a final report on the lessons to be learned from it.
Imagine for a moment, you were in the situation of persons belonging: How would you feel because at such a notice Stoltenberg's? The Premier, virtually accepts the result of the commission of inquiry already anticipated, when he speaks of "lessons", eventually it could also go to "guilty"! The time frame is also scandalous, pointing out that you would like to have the subject of the discussion.
There remain more questions, for. Example where the Norwegian military remained. Does it even a helicopter and it was also on vacation? Probably not. It is known that Norway involved in the Libya bombing and in Afghanistan, the country is so equipped.
The police are also part of the Norwegian rescue service, for which logically includes the air ambulance. The implementation of rescue operations in case of accidents and disasters is part of their remit. Rescue operations are in Norway due to the difficult weather and the difficult geography nothing unusual. Even doctors are often called in small towns in remote fjords - by helicopter. There are two operational centers for the emergency services (Stavanger and Bodo). The police is held expressly to fulfill their mission, to request help from the military, civilian and non-governmental organizations.
So where was the problem?
According to Dagbladet , it went like further follows: Havard Gåsbakk, the squad leader came at the same time (18 clock) with the cadres of the "Delta Force" (8 men) from Oslo went by car on the mainland to the island to, together with two local policemen them in a provided by the local police North Buskerud police boat. Halfway to the island, police boat got engine problems. From the island itself but already several boats were launched to get help. Two open boats took to the wrecked police and with 5 men they drove back to Utøya.
There the arrest of the killer apparently designed fabulously problems: On the dock of the island they were welcomed by many young people. After 30 seconds to 1 minute you already saw a shot on the south side of the island and heard a bang. Man jumps out of the boat and runs in this direction. They want to run into the undergrowth in the forest, in order to facilitate the placing of the offender from better coverage out. The police shout "armed police". Suddenly the alleged perpetrator is directly in front of them, he has his hands over his head, the gun he no longer wears, she is 15 m behind him. Amazingly, he can be arrested without resistance. The reputation of "armed police" seems to have immediately freed him from all bloodlust and transformed into a tame sheep.
The lawyer of the alleged offender Geir Lippestad, told the press , meanwhile, his client had been "a little bit surprised that he succeeded. He had expected to be earlier stopped by the police or anyone else that day. He thought he would be killed after the bombing, after the action on the island or at the trial. " He also said , Breivik had taken drugs before he began his rampage, "to be strong and effective, and to keep himself awake. "
This is consistent with victim information, the report of the perpetrators was completely calm and systematic approach to his murder.
The Norwegian newspaper "Dagbladet" spoke with friends of the accused. She testified, Breivik had taken anabolic steroids since he was a teenager. A buddy from childhood said that he has had even run a few years ago cosmetic surgery in the United States to look male. "I met him on the bus, and he was very pleased. He had made OPs on the forehead, nose and chin. "As an explanation Breivik had indicated that he thought that he looked too feminine.
Overall, the impression of an unstable, completely unconsolidated person with potentially chronic anabolic Steoridabusus arises.
The offender had two weapons, a pistol brand "Glock" and a machine gun, and had large amounts of unused ammunition, when he was arrested. Due to the terrible exit wounds and the fragmentation of the bullets in the body of the victim are dum-dum bullets taken as ammunition . Their use is forbidden (Hager Land Warfare). Legally they can not have the perpetrators so procured. Where the ammunition came so?
While Dum-dum bullets are so theoretically prohibited in war, they are admitted to authorities to fight terrorism and crime, because they have a maximum "stopping power". Since Dum-dum bullets explode like in goal, there are z. B. no passing shots. In some German states, the so-called. Part jacketed bullets are therefore approved as a "police-use ammunition". Was the Norwegian Delta Force in possession of this special ammo?
The surgeon Colin Poole from Ringerike Hospital in Hönefoss believed the bombers had apparently used special ammunition, "in order to cause maximum damage to its victims." Poole said the newspaper "Dagbladet" after treating 16 victims in his hospital: "I have never seen this type of gunshot wounds." The projectiles were apparently highly fragmented in the bodies of the wounded. The surgeon is in "Aftonposten" quotes: "There are undoubtedly Dum-dum bullets, which are only used by special forces in some countries". They could be purchased in any case in Norway, so Poole. As the perpetrators came to the special ammo?
Breivik attorney announced that he would on "non compos mentis" advocate. His client was in all likelihood "insane".
This reading came today (Wednesday) against Norway's intelligence chief (domestic) Janne Kristiansen. She told the BBC: "I can tell you that we at this moment do not have proof and evidence that he was part of a larger movement or in conjunction with other cells have been or that there was any other cells. "Breivik had claimed that he had acted as the first of three cells and there is still more abroad.
Kristiansen also said they believe he was a lone assassin. And you do not think the killer was mentally ill, but "calculative" and "vicious" and someone who seeks the spotlight. "I do not think it enter in your head that person any limits for evil t." Evil he is - not sick, drogiert or brainwashed!
Today, ending the Norwegian secret service boss to search for the second offender, had the eyewitness even described: Approx 1.80 m tall, dark-haired, Nordic. The version of the "lone assassin" is somehow familiar.
If capital from the Verbechen to be beaten, so it is necessary and describe the perpetrators not as geistesgstört, but as "evil", "calculating". A mentally ill would have however not take it seriously and do everything we can to forget it as quickly as possible.
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So where was the problem?
The problem was that they had no weapons !! The Norwegian police are apparently unarmed. Source: I find not in the moment. But I submit perhaps after yet.
More and more, it turns out that the first only vague conjectures, have the deed, but probably are not a "bad aftertaste" so far-fetched.
It was about the helicopter! The Delta Force is very well armed, only when the car with u. Leckem boat arriving, and weapons are useless more ... Incidentally, the norw. Armed police. You have a special compartment in the car, where the weapons are located, they therefore do not carry around with.
So somehow I have the vague feeling: In the Kingdom of Norway runs what went mega! Since in principle must be something wrong in this country.
It is all too easy problems to a single person shift. Geir Lippestad is the product of Norwegian society and local so-called democracy. One thing is probably that he is unhappy with the situation there, otherwise he would not have attacked the political elite.
when you see who else was on the Norwegians in the Bilderbergers, then could one of the alleged racist background of the offender, doubts at all Norwegian children.
Even the Siv Jensen of the rights was at the Elite Club
and as always, the question cui bono?
Gro Harlem Brundtland (1982, 1983), former Prime Minister of Norway
Kære Willoch (1966, 1968, 1982, 1987), former Prime Minister of Norway
Trygve Bratteli (1977) former Prime Minister of Norway
Jens Stoltenberg (2002) current Prime Minister of Norway
Siv Jensen (2006) Chairman Fremskrittspartiet
Johann Olav Koss (2006)
Halvard Lange (1964), former Minister og Foreign Affairs (Norway)
Ole Myrvoll (1974) former Minister of Finance (Norway) former Mayer of Bergen
Svein Gejedrem (2003) Chairman of Norges Bank in 1999 present
Dagfinn Varvik (1975) former Chairman Centre Party (Norway
Call to Arms and dum-dum bullets a word, the perpetrator did not use a machine gun, but a Glock 18 and a shotgun, both admitted to him. But with the Glock-18 may be I do not deceive, although the gun looks like a gun, it is still a fully automatic weapon that shoots with a cadence of up to 1200 rounds / min. In YT and Co, there are enough videos to action.
Drum magazines hold it up to 100 shots. As ammunition used a standard 9 x 19 mm cartridge, which is also in part sheath design example for hunting. By cross-sawing every tech-savvy layman can obtain, for example Dum-dum bullets that produce the injury occurred. Also modified man stop ammunition is freely available, eg Fiocchi EMB expansive mono-block. Ultimately, it is rather a question of price, as a problem of procurement.
Looking for inconsistencies the testimony of a second offender and the grotesque duration of the stop should be productive until the arrival of special forces. The weapons / - and ammunition choice only evidence of ruthlessness, but should not pose a logistical problem in principle, which argues against the individual perpetrator thesis.
Why you are you still so sure that he has been planning alone? Rather, it seems to me, as it was used for a FalsFlagOperation. It just needed a certain person, so that the real masterminds not come to light.
It is obvious that the exclamation "Armed police" a code word was, after Breivik his "program" ended. He was clearly under "Mind Control".
And that the police took so long, until they were on the island, was planned so that Breivik also could do as much damage as possible.
Most do not notice how much they can be blinded by the media.
Not only because of the collected here in blog-remember-worthy inconsistencies to the Norwegian police and special unit "Delta" which were at the Utoya-use, should not be excluded at the moment that Breivik only the "front face" of a broader, more powerful perpetrators is.
But if Breivik would only be the "face" of a comprehensive perpetrator, then this first incredible sounding scenario would immediately leave the question arise that because "parent", perhaps (geo) had political goals and purposes that ever such a monstrous act " justify "would to a" commit Norwegian Reichstag fire "or a" Norwegian 9/11 ".
The fact is that Norway so far but rather a "very independent" course is run. The aforementioned scenario assumes, therefore, that Norway should be "back on track" associated with the attacks ...
We have to "support" this unprovable scenarios conducted research, the 10 tesserae been promoted to light:
. Mosaic No. 1: China drills for oil in Norway (has the average citizen ever get to hear about it or read?).
# 2:. Border demarcation agreement with Russia (in the Arctic Ocean, which are teeming with oil stocks).
No. 3:. Military maneuvers with Russia.
# 4:. Statoil's role in Venezuela and Iran (both "enemy states" of the USA / the West).
# 5:., The Oslo accords concerning the question of Palestine..
# 6:. UN vote concerning the question of Palestine..
# 7:. Norway critical of Israel.
# 8:. Norway's threatened withdrawal from the NATO bombing in Libya.
# 9:. Norway (as financially gesundestes Europe country) stop of aid payments to Greece (and thus stop signal to future bankrupt states in the Euro-zone)
No. 10:. Norway (as a potentially strong net contributors) non-membership in the EU, which is in a hurry on the way to the "United States of Europe". Since Norway may (as well as Switzerland) no longer stand aside!
The mosaic tiles are currently on the initiative of reason ( http://initiativevernunft.twoday.net/stories/38728292/ aufgeschalten) and other tesserae for detecting and collecting are welcome!
@ Natori: how come you're so sure that there were multiple offenders? is it for you then easier to understand the world? I now assume this conspiracy fanatic so what of aufn sack with their half-baked I-habs-looked-gedöns. of the fake moon landing, chemtrails, 9/11 and now oslo. noted her actually how you infected with this manure will your part from the right edge? by the way go also from breivik passionate conspiracy theories.
I recommend also refer to the 'compendium' of the killers. be lied about a year away is revealing and could finally let shelve the multiple-offender-theory, when the verschwörungsfan inclined for permits. oh no, the factory's safe from cia or mossad from fake ...
phew, thank you big brother, finally a commentary, in which I had not the need-my skull embark on the table.
all these great "mozambique" that were there wanted together are very interesting and also the fact that it took so forever, until the poli time to ask etc was suggesting something bigger, but one thing remains clear:
I just read the manifesto of the organ pipe and am 100% convinced he has been planning alone. the good young had to schedule multiple (!!!) season the whole, to make smart, specialist knowledge to acquire and to such a project does not need you as a bit of shrewdness. apart from that, what would change it, Wenne s were more? brings the child into the living again? makes him a better human being? I do not think so.
I think in the beginning you have to mentality are times dernorwegischen something more with grappled to understand why this is happening particularly terrible than to get caught up in any political cobwebs with which breivik allegedly may have had something to do, to try the killer (and more he is not) to give a deeper sense.
he was not born with a golden spoon, maybe a few negative experiences in childhood and BOOM !!!, the small breivik is on its way, scandinavia to shake. to something needs it most ... not much. but before I'm here talking to me head and collar:
love woman beck, reporting great ^^
lg Medu